I’m sorry, who is “I, me, we?” I receive an anonymous, unsigned email directing me to this site and all I see is a bunch of tactless, unprofessional trash talk. If you, whoever you are, are truly in this for the sake of us Handlers then I think you need to take a VASTLY different approach. Digging up dirt, demeaning, and insulting the CEO in a public forum is completely inexcusable and flat out unethical!
Encouraging employees to contact the client to “air dirty laundry” or to send the CEO a pink slip...I will NEVER stand behind something like that and I hope I’m not alone!
You seem to be speaking about New York and hoping the rest of the country will go along for the ride because I can’t be the only one asking “what the heck is going on?!”
You make some valid points about us Handlers but in such an unprofessional way and give no constructive process of how you can change it.
You call out other employees by name yet cloak yourself in anonymity, and that doesn’t seem fair or sit right with me
Who is this union, who have you represented before, what changes have you previously made that benefited those you represent?
All I see right now is an all out attack on MSA from an unknown entity who has given zero examples and explanations of how “you” could do better.
I hope that before this election goes down things are reshaped in a more tactful and professional way, with an understanding for those of us outside of New York, and some real explanations of what you hope to change for the better.
I hope my comments open up a positive and constructive dialogue because I’m not for or against anything at this point with my limited understanding. I also hope that the people who hope to represent us have the courage to identify themselves in some kind of way because all this anonymity wreaks of mutiny.
Chris, Your experience in Chi-Town is evidently much different than we are experiencing here NY. Although some of our complaints are the same I talked to a fellow handler I know in Chicago and you really do have it much better up there. Maybe it's because your not under the nose of Murray St and Windsor like we are. Might be also be because your scheduler is on top of things. But when I see handlers who have worked for the company for 10+ years and have never gotten a raise it (unless you call the pitiful $2 raise they got 2 years ago at the expense of newly hired handlers), When NY scheduling asks handlers to lie to cover their asses it pisses me off. When we hear what the clients are paying for our services and see how much Murray Street is pocketing it pisses me off. When the pogs in Murray street get vacation days and bereavement days and the handlers get squat (Oh that's right we get 1 bereavement day, I forgot) it pisses me off. When I have to work a full week to get 1 hour of vacation/sick time it pisses me off (We used to just call scheduling and tell them I'm taking off such and such and it was a no pay day) no hassles, no threats. When they bring in a hack from another security firm to lower our hours and save the company money it pisses me off. I don't know if you were ever in a job that had a union but I have and believe me it helps. The job cant just jerk you around like they have been doing. I love my job and what we do, I love my dog but I don't like living under the constant threat of "If you don't like it, turn in your dog and quit." I agree with you though that the current/former handlers who run this site should step up, Murray street already knows who you are.
I’ve had my fair share of union experience but from what I hear it’s a whole other ball of wax in New York. You guys don’t play, haha! I truly hope though some kind of an agreement can be made, but you’re right, I don’t know what’s going down in New York and I don’t pretend to.
But, for those of us who don’t know what you guys are going through I just don’t think the presentation of this site is a good way to illustrate it. The nastiness completely drowns out whatever good there might be.
Most importantly though is that these “people” are wanting us to vote for their union when we don’t even have simple name, or any type of resume or qualifications of what they bring to the table! If I vote for “you” what am I voting for, who am I voting for?!
I’m not here to pick fights or sit on a high horse but there’s got to be a better way of doing this. I’ll stand by you guys, side by side, but I have to know what I’m standing for.
I'm sorry if this does seem clandestine. We're all a lot more well known in New York. We're mailing out letters to everyone with our backgrounds and what we hope to accomplish.
Our names are Bill Beaury, Joe Nacarlo, John Hansen, Joe Tallini, and Tom Brown.
We chose to respond to Glen's letter because we believe it's a vain attempt to tell you that everything's all right at MSA. It's not. We included Glen’s background because we feel you should be aware of his past actions. We hope Glen will make his employment agreement public. If it contains a bonus based on the companies valuation at sale, then he stands to make a significantly larger sum if the company remains non-union.
In addition, we have a scheduling director that has been caught blackmailing handlers into lying to clients to take the fall for his failures. We get the lowest legal amount of paid time off. Our wages are well below that of MSAs competitors, as is our stipend. We are all owed tens of thousands of dollars in unpaid wages for maintaining our dogs at home. If you've signed up with the lawsuit we've started, you'll be receiving those back wages soon. MSA will tell you they were unaware they were required to pay us for this time yet several of their executives sued their police departments for the exact same thing in the 90s. The problems at MSA are numerous, yet all we receive is a letter telling us to be thankful and a bereavement day.
We understand the rest of the country is a lot different than NYC but whatever we negotiate for you is exactly what we receive. If we can get you a raise, we get a raise. If we get you more vacation time, we get it as well. We're not a group of outsiders looking to make a buck. We're handlers just like you. In addition, our bylaws explicitly state we're not allowed to receive compensation for our duties.
We also offer you legal representation in the event you’re unjustly disciplined or fired. Every dog handler at MSA knows someone who had their dog taken away for little to no reason. We want to put a stop to that.
Thank you for the comment Chris. If you have any other questions, let us know day or night.
Thanks for the reply, I really do appreciate it and wish you best! Your passion is obvious so I don’t think you guys are in it for a buck. It seems these issues go deeper than anything I can understand which makes me thankful for what we have in Chicago. If you guys are ever in town look me up...first round is on me!
I’m sorry, who is “I, me, we?” I receive an anonymous, unsigned email directing me to this site and all I see is a bunch of tactless, unprofessional trash talk. If you, whoever you are, are truly in this for the sake of us Handlers then I think you need to take a VASTLY different approach. Digging up dirt, demeaning, and insulting the CEO in a public forum is completely inexcusable and flat out unethical!
ReplyDeleteEncouraging employees to contact the client to “air dirty laundry” or to send the CEO a pink slip...I will NEVER stand behind something like that and I hope I’m not alone!
You seem to be speaking about New York and hoping the rest of the country will go along for the ride because I can’t be the only one asking “what the heck is going on?!”
You make some valid points about us Handlers but in such an unprofessional way and give no constructive process of how you can change it.
You call out other employees by name yet cloak yourself in anonymity, and that doesn’t seem fair or sit right with me
Who is this union, who have you represented before, what changes have you previously made that benefited those you represent?
All I see right now is an all out attack on MSA from an unknown entity who has given zero examples and explanations of how “you” could do better.
I hope that before this election goes down things are reshaped in a more tactful and professional way, with an understanding for those of us outside of New York, and some real explanations of what you hope to change for the better.
I hope my comments open up a positive and constructive dialogue because I’m not for or against anything at this point with my limited understanding. I also hope that the people who hope to represent us have the courage to identify themselves in some kind of way because all this anonymity wreaks of mutiny.
With respect,
Christopher Moritz
-MSA K-9 Chicago-
Chris, Your experience in Chi-Town is evidently much different than we are experiencing here NY. Although some of our complaints are the same I talked to a fellow handler I know in Chicago and you really do have it much better up there. Maybe it's because your not under the nose of Murray St and Windsor like we are. Might be also be because your scheduler is on top of things. But when I see handlers who have worked for the company for 10+ years and have never gotten a raise it (unless you call the pitiful $2 raise they got 2 years ago at the expense of newly hired handlers), When NY scheduling asks handlers to lie to cover their asses it pisses me off. When we hear what the clients are paying for our services and see how much Murray Street is pocketing it pisses me off. When the pogs in Murray street get vacation days and bereavement days and the handlers get squat (Oh that's right we get 1 bereavement day, I forgot) it pisses me off. When I have to work a full week to get 1 hour of vacation/sick time it pisses me off (We used to just call scheduling and tell them I'm taking off such and such and it was a no pay day) no hassles, no threats. When they bring in a hack from another security firm to lower our hours and save the company money it pisses me off. I don't know if you were ever in a job that had a union but I have and believe me it helps. The job cant just jerk you around like they have been doing. I love my job and what we do, I love my dog but I don't like living under the constant threat of "If you don't like it, turn in your dog and quit." I agree with you though that the current/former handlers who run this site should step up, Murray street already knows who you are.
ReplyDeleteI’ve had my fair share of union experience but from what I hear it’s a whole other ball of wax in New York. You guys don’t play, haha! I truly hope though some kind of an agreement can be made, but you’re right, I don’t know what’s going down in New York and I don’t pretend to.
ReplyDeleteBut, for those of us who don’t know what you guys are going through I just don’t think the presentation of this site is a good way to illustrate it. The nastiness completely drowns out whatever good there might be.
Most importantly though is that these “people” are wanting us to vote for their union when we don’t even have simple name, or any type of resume or qualifications of what they bring to the table! If I vote for “you” what am I voting for, who am I voting for?!
I’m not here to pick fights or sit on a high horse but there’s got to be a better way of doing this. I’ll stand by you guys, side by side, but I have to know what I’m standing for.
Hey Chris,
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry if this does seem clandestine. We're all a lot more well known in New York. We're mailing out letters to everyone with our backgrounds and what we hope to accomplish.
Our names are Bill Beaury, Joe Nacarlo, John Hansen, Joe Tallini, and Tom Brown.
We chose to respond to Glen's letter because we believe it's a vain attempt to tell you that everything's all right at MSA. It's not. We included Glen’s background because we feel you should be aware of his past actions. We hope Glen will make his employment agreement public. If it contains a bonus based on the companies valuation at sale, then he stands to make a significantly larger sum if the company remains non-union.
In addition, we have a scheduling director that has been caught blackmailing handlers into lying to clients to take the fall for his failures. We get the lowest legal amount of paid time off. Our wages are well below that of MSAs competitors, as is our stipend. We are all owed tens of thousands of dollars in unpaid wages for maintaining our dogs at home. If you've signed up with the lawsuit we've started, you'll be receiving those back wages soon. MSA will tell you they were unaware they were required to pay us for this time yet several of their executives sued their police departments for the exact same thing in the 90s. The problems at MSA are numerous, yet all we receive is a letter telling us to be thankful and a bereavement day.
We understand the rest of the country is a lot different than NYC but whatever we negotiate for you is exactly what we receive. If we can get you a raise, we get a raise. If we get you more vacation time, we get it as well. We're not a group of outsiders looking to make a buck. We're handlers just like you. In addition, our bylaws explicitly state we're not allowed to receive compensation for our duties.
We also offer you legal representation in the event you’re unjustly disciplined or fired. Every dog handler at MSA knows someone who had their dog taken away for little to no reason. We want to put a stop to that.
Thank you for the comment Chris. If you have any other questions, let us know day or night.
Thanks for the reply, I really do appreciate it and wish you best! Your passion is obvious so I don’t think you guys are in it for a buck. It seems these issues go deeper than anything I can understand which makes me thankful for what we have in Chicago. If you guys are ever in town look me up...first round is on me!
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